I don't think the issue is with the speed down there, but I do know that I have been overtaking along there at times, and that's the only certain thing that the Police with target along there.

Sad thing is human stupidity will time and time again be completely missed in these road blitzes.

A classic example was only just the other night driving back on Christmas Night from a gathering I was at, whilst driving along Stockleigh Road at around 11pm, coming the other was two trailbikes weaving heading in the other direction to myself, but both trailbikes did not have any headlights or taillights, and they were were about 400 metres away from each other. After the stunned surprise of seeing one, and trying to track it to see if a car coming along about half a km behind me hit him, there appeared the second one out of the pitch black.

Human stupidity rears its ugly head again, and naturally enough the Police can not be everywhere all of the time, they appear to have been very lucky to have got home, as I heard nothing on the news about about a trail bike accident.

Hi BP 

I guess your point is a possibility.  Not knowing to much about the stats etc on the cause of accidents it is difficult for me to dispute your argument.

However, I have noticed that when a road becomes a known speed trap location, drivers are reluctant to break the limit. (ie cusack lane).  It might be in the community interest for Camp Cable road to be targeted by the local Police (with the existing speed limit in place) on an ongoing basis as a way of curbing such accidents in the future.

K@Z

Seems like the Jimboomba Times took great exception to my letter, and chose to cut out :-


Seems like they don't like the idea of people having the choice for an interactive discussion, or they are running scared of the idea that a free forum might become more popular than them.... I don't think they need to worry about that, do they ? 

They don't appear to be too switched on at the Jimboomba Times either, as the photo's caption next to my letter states :-


I thought I was talking about Camp Cable Road? 

Interesting article in the Jimboomba Times a couple of weeks ago where where driver error (rather than speed) caused a accident where are car ran up the rear of another car, pushing it off the road in to a ditch.

One resident along with his neighbour has decided that the road that they've lived on for all of these years now needs the speed limit dropped from 100km/h to 80km/h, and that will supposedly stop all the driver error accidents ?

Excerpts from my letter in the Jimboomba Times :-

Clearly this accident that occurred outside of Mr Power's property had nothing at all to do with the speed limit currently enforced on Camp Cable Road, but quite simply driver error/stupidity/inattention, and would've occurred whether the speed limit was 100km/h or 60km/h.

Until we can legislate against driver stupidity, we will continue to have road accidents. At a National TravelSafe convention in Brisbane it was shown that in the Top Five causes of accidents, driver error/stupidity/lack of skills is number one on the list, well ahead of other traditionally seen causes, with speeding coming in at number FIVE on that list.

I think what Mr Power's and Mrs Lyons need to remember is that they chose to live on a main arterial road and that means they'll see a lot more traffic and resultant 'driver errors' than what those who live on a quiet residential street. Having the speed limit dropped for their own peace of mind  means nothing in the scale of things to come, history has proven time and time again when road has an acceptable speed limit means that most people will obey it, but when the speed limit is patently too low, most people will not only ignore it, but drive faster than they used to on it, as a way of thumbing their noses at what they see as a ridiculous reduction it.

This can be seen time and time again, with roads like Hein Road which after a major upgrade to make the road vastly safer, was dropped from 80km/h to 60km/h. You only need to spend 5 minutes there to see the contempt most motorists have of that reduced speed limit, and all it then becomes is a easy way to boost the government coffers with speeding fines, which is exactly what Camp Cable Road will become if Mr Power and his neighbour get their way.

I would like to know what Mr Power and his neighbour are planning to demand the speed limit be dropped again, when they find that a 80km/h speed limit is "too fast" for their liking. Are they going to push for a 60km/h limit a year or two after they get their first wish ?

I would suggest that those who use Camp Cable Road and are otherwise safe drivers, don't sit back and think that it won't happen, because it will happen if you don't make it known that you disagree with this short sighted demand. If you have internet access, you might like to discuss this in the forums at www.loganvillage.net and agree or disagree with this particular issue, and if need be discuss it more fully than you can in this newspaper.



I welcome your comments, as like many of you out there I see the actions of the minority taking over the wishes of the majority, as through the many years I've lived here, roads that have needed a slow down have been ignored, yet key roads have not only had the speed limit dropped, but have had solid no-overtaking white lines down stretches of straight roadway for reasons no greater than "because we can".

Yep, been done and dusted.

But how many people are obeying that farcical speed limit these days ? .... certainly not all that many.... so what did the 60km/h speed limit signs prove ? ... just that once again people will actively ignore an unrealistic speed limit.

Did you hear that the whole lot of Hein rd is going to be made a permanent 60k road all the way through ??

Has anyone noticed the trend over the last few years where a number of roads have been upgraded, and usually not before time, where the speed limits have been either lowered, or solid centre lines have been placed ??

A classic example is the newly upgraded Hein Road, where it used to have a 80km/h speed limit, until just before the roadworks started, and now remains a 60km/h speed limit after the road has been widened, as well as now endowed with a solid line down the entire length of the new section of road.

Did they decide to keep it at 60 because of stupid decision of turning it in to a sharper corner, or to deter people from using it as the shortcut to Beenleigh ?

Several years ago the Eastern end of Dairy Creek Road from Buccan Road to Gardiner road had a solid centre line painted on that entire length which is primarily a straight road, although there are sections where the centre line is entirely appropriate for safety reasons.

More recently we have the entirety of Buccan Road turned from a 80Km/h road with no centre line to a 60 speed limit and a centre line all the way down it.

One could easily think it's a plan to keep all the Beenleigh traffic on the Waterford Tamborine Road, right up to Waterford, but that's not right because of the always extending white centre line between Logan Village and Waterford, where for some reason people like to sit anywhere up to 40 km/h below the speed limit.

So what do others think of this apparent trend on our roads ?

Which part of Quinzeh Creek Road do you want to know about ?

hi there, just wondered if there was anyone on here who lives in logan Village, and knows quinzeh Creek road
Thanks
MIMI

Yep, sure do... I think they call it "progress".

Although those 300 homes cover an area between that road and Stockleigh road, so they won't be a super tight squeeze, but they certainly ain't 20 acre blocks, are they ?

Yeah, it's a problem getting out of the shopping centre, but that's primarily due to the ignorance and self-centeredness of several people who choose to turn right out of the driveway near the BP, and choose to sit in a position so that those who want to turn left towards the roundabout can't get through and have to wait.
I just don't understand why those who want to head south from the shopping centre don't use the roundabout, not only is it quicker, but it is a whole lot safer.

As far as the Lions park losing 15 metres, I can only assume that's why they set most of it up as far back as they possibly could ?

I've heard some vague stories about a bypass for the village, but the only options that I've heard about will certainly upset those living in Storey road, and I can't ever seeing that happening in my life time.

As far as Yarrabilba is concerned, I think this is something we'll have to live with, as I can't see any legitimate reasons that could be used to block the development permanently. I think this is where we need to accept it's development, but under certain criteria that we should be working as a community to set.